tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889529596531127755.post7019381317694830919..comments2024-03-12T12:06:53.187-07:00Comments on Doing Magick: Response to JackRoberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10144040453666802786noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889529596531127755.post-83474230426545672272012-09-30T17:22:53.254-07:002012-09-30T17:22:53.254-07:00Mostly, we agree on most of it so it is all good. ...Mostly, we agree on most of it so it is all good. <br />Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144040453666802786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889529596531127755.post-82120934042927212632012-09-30T17:19:40.197-07:002012-09-30T17:19:40.197-07:00smile. no. My ego is not predicated on such things...smile. no. My ego is not predicated on such things. Now, disparage my toothpaste selection and we. will. have. words!Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144040453666802786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889529596531127755.post-90269079041821026682012-09-30T17:18:38.712-07:002012-09-30T17:18:38.712-07:00Robert: "As the primary infuser of the energy...Robert: "As the primary infuser of the energy of change into a relatively static situation, he is certainly not irresponsible...oh wait."<br /><br />Not quite what I mean. In the hypothetical situation you set up there are several issues:<br />1. What if the lady was not going to get that job, period? What if the person that was actually going to get the job was some charming bastard that used his fine speech to get it? <br />2. What if the woman would not have been actually better off with that job? Yes, money helps. But what if it's a job with too much stress for her to handle?<br />3. As I said, what if she heads off to get a better job because of that change? Should the magician take credit for the latter example?<br />4. Who is to say whose needs are more, the magician or the woman? What if the magician also has starving children, etc?<br /><br />As to the dualism: I disagree that almost all magick assumes the good/evil perspective.<br /><br />"Secondly, almost all magick assumes the good/bad paradigm. Otherwise, you wouldn't be trying to obtain anything by magick aside from that which covers your basic needs of food and shelter."<br /><br />I don't know. Maybe it would help if we dropped the Higher/Lower self dichotomy altogether so older magicians don't assume they have reached a level of attainment and lose perspective? Maybe we should try embracing desire as it is, and see how that embrace impacts our lives and act accordingly?<br /><br />Also: I am so not spooky. People think I'm a curly-haired teddy-bear half the time. Which is mostly true unless I'm really angry.<br /><br />You totally corrected me on what you thought regarding that Sitri post. I was just referencing back to that discussion and my points there.<br /><br />"... I can break into a home and steal the TV because I guess maybe possibly that they can get a better one with insurance, if they have coverage."<br /><br />Not quite what I mean... What I mean is that focusing on the potential harm versus the potential positive is non-sense. It's one-sided. Should you consider it? Probably. Should you focus on the idea that all you'll do is harm if you get a better job and another does not? Absolutely not. People use a variety of options in getting jobs. Not all of them are 'fair' to all participants. Concluding that using magickal talents impacts others negatively is something I find silly. That's like saying my natural charisma leaves others at a disadvantage. Of course it does! I went to the trouble to develop that skill for a reason! Don't compare my magick or my charm to burglary!<br /><br />I'm also not arguing your points. I'm admitting my own failings. Like we both agree, we all have them!<br /><br />I don't quite mean that you're being a Theurgical jackass! Just that you're wording things in a way that would lead others to assume their path is invalid, because you've embraced the spiritual above the magickal. Sorry for coming off as preachy!<br /><br />"Oh, that mugger hit you over the head and stole your grandmother's ring? Well, that is your fault isn't it? Had you just learned karate..."<br /><br />LOL! No, I'm saying that if a mugger took you down you should sit back, and instead of focusing on the mugger and their wrong (which is <i>obvious</i>) consider learning karate. Or focus on being more aware of your surroundings. What happened sucks, but you can treat it as a lesson in what to change rather than lamenting how crap other people can be to one another.<br /><br />I've been "cursed" a few times and taught a few lessons about how to fix that. I've also been actually cursed. And I've also been part of the mess of others. In each case, I could have focused on their wrong actions. But that's kind've pointless, isn't it? Instead I took steps to fix the issues. Did I ward? Did I lack a set of skills I now need? Etc.<br /><br />As for non-magicians? 'Eh. I consider that another debate entirely.Jack Fausthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13693993943756621762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889529596531127755.post-27469572727490849682012-09-30T16:53:19.738-07:002012-09-30T16:53:19.738-07:00Hahaha. Sorry for saying you made assumptions you ...Hahaha. Sorry for saying you made assumptions you may not have. My bad. I did the thing I was critiquing!<br /><br />Would you like me to edit that out?Jack Fausthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13693993943756621762noreply@blogger.com